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Giant Statistics

In the Bible 32 tribes of giants are mentioned (if you include the Nephilim who were the original giants and the Canaanites which technically includes multiple tribes).
I am not including the Zazummin because they are simply what the Ammonites called the Rephaim.

The Amalekites, Amorites, Anakim, Ashdodites, Ashkelonites (Eshkalonites), Avvim, Avites, Canaanites, Caphtorim, Ekronites, Emim (Emins),
Gazites (Gazathites), Geshurites , Gibalites (Giblites), Gibeonites, Girgashites, Gittites, Hittites, Hivites, Horites (Horims), Jebusites, Kadmonites, Kenites,
Kenizzites, Maacathites, Manassites, Nephilim, Perizzites, Philistines, Rephaim, Sidonians, and the Zuzim.

  • Amalekites are mentioned 25 times
  • Amorites are mentioned 87 times
  • Anakim are mentioned 9 times
  • Ashdodites are mentioned 4 times
  • Ashkelonites (Eshkalonites) are mentioned 1 time
  • Avvim are mentioned 3 times
  • Canaanites are mentioned 21 times but not all Canaanites peoples were giants.
  • Caphtorim are mentioned 2 times
  • Ekronites are mentioned 2 times
  • Emim (aka Emins) are mentioned 3 times
  • Gazites (Gazathites) are mentioned 2 times
  • Geshurites are mentioned 6 times
  • Gibeonites are mentioned 8 times
  • Gibalites (Giblites) are mentioned 2 times
  • Girgashites are mentioned 7 times
  • Gittites are mentioned 10 times
  • Hittites are mentioned 48 times
  • Hivites are mentioned 25 times
  • Horites (Horims) are mentioned 7 times
  • Jebusites are mentioned 41 times
  • Kadmonites are mentioned 1 time
  • Kenites are mentioned 11 times
  • Kenizzites are mentioned 4 times
  • Maacathites are mentioned 8 times
  • Manassites are mentioned 4 times
  • Nephilim are mentioned 2 times
  • Perizzites are mentioned 23 times
  • Philistines are mentioned 290 times but many Philistines were not giants.
  • Rephaim are mentioned 18 times
  • Sidonians are mentioned 16 times
  • Zuzim are mentioned 1 time

That is a total of 687 mentions of tribes, people groups, or nations of (or containing) giants.

There are 19 giants that are named specifically in the Bible.

  • Adoni-zedek (aka Adonizedek, Adonizedec), King of Jerusalem, is mentioned 2 times
  • Agag, King of the Amalakites, is mentioned 8 times
  • Ahiman (anakim) is mentioned 4 times
  • Amalek is mentioned 24 times
  • Arba is mentioned 3 times
  • Gog is mentioned 11 times
  • Magog is mentioned 5 times
  • Goliath is mentioned 6 times
  • Hoham, King of Hebron, is mentioned 1 time
  • Horam, King of Gezer, is mentioned 1 time
  • Jabin, King of Hazor, is mentioned 7 times
  • Jobab, King of Madon, is mentioned 9 times
  • Lahmi is mentioned 1 time
  • Nimrod is mentioned 4 times
  • Og of Bashan is mentioned 22 times
  • Sheshai (anakim) is mentioned 3 times
  • Sihon, King of the Amorites, is mentioned 39
  • Sippai is mentioned 1 time
  • Talmai (anakim) is mentioned 6 times

That is a total of 157 mentions of specific giants.

687 + 157 = 844 total references to individual giants, tribes, and people groups containing giants in the Bible.

The younger shall succeed the older

There seems to be a consistent theme of male siblings where the older one(s) will fail to honor God in some way, grow to hate his younger brother, and often times become fathers to people groups of sinful/pagan ways, while the younger brother manages to succeed where the older brother(s) failed and often times rule over his older brother(s).

Examples include:

Seth/Able and Cain
Issac and Ishmael
Jacob and Esau
Joseph and his brothers
David and his brothers
Solomon and Adonijah

This theme seems to climax with Jesus, who Paul compares to Adam and describes him as succeeding where Adam failed. Adam gave birth to sinful humanity and Jesus' death offered the second birth of Christianity.

Seeing as the Bible says we are to become as sons of God and rule over the angels (1st Corinthians 6:3), is it possible that humans are the younger brother to the angels (in a way) and we are to succeed where the angels failed?

The star of Jesus

In Matthew 2:2-9 we see the wisemen searching for the king of the Jews because they saw his star. This makes sense given that the wisemen knew that stars are associated with individual divine beings and that those beings had allotted regions. Verse 9 describes the star moving and coming to stand over the exact place where Jesus was. Given that the star lead them to the land of the Jews, it was obvious that the ruler was the new ruler of the Jews and because the star was completely new this ruler was obviously recently born.

The celestial connection

Deuteronomy 4:19 NASB connects the hosts of heaven, sun moon and stars, to the sons of God that he allotted the nations to, describing them as one in the same.

In my mind this (Deuteronomy 4:19) sums it all up in one sentence. There are many verses, however, that state a direct connection between celestial bodies and angels.

  • The stars were singing during creation (Job 38:7).
  • In Revelation John says he saw an angel standing in the sun (Revelation 19:17).
  • Revelation 12:4 says that a third of the stars were swept from the sky by the tail of the dragon.
  • In Psalm 147:4 it says that God knows every star and he “calls them by name”.
  • Corinthians 15:41 speaks of the sun, moon, and stars and that each of them has different “glories” (they differ from one another).
  • In Genesis 1:16 God created the sun, moon, and stars to govern the day-night on the fourth day of creation.
  • In Genesis 2:1 it says “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts” the word hosts there is the Hebrew word צָבָא it means an army.
  • In Judges 5:20 we see stars engaging in battle against Sisera.
  • In Psalm 33:6 it says “By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host” stating that he breathed life into the hosts of heaven just as he did with mankind when he created them. 
  • Psalm 148:1-3 points again to the sun, moon, and stars as being the heavenly hosts created by God as spiritual beings who praise His name.
  • 1st Corinthians 15:39-41 speaks of how the sun, moon, and individual stars all have their own different "glories", or types of bodies as the context infers. Note that the stars are being included in a list of living creatures.
  • Job 25:5 speaks of how the stars are not pure in God's sight.
  • Acts 7:43 speaks of a specific star being associated with the god Rephan.
  • The Satan is referred to as a star in the esoteric passage of Isaiah 14:12.
  • Matthew 24:29 and Mark 13:25 Jesus speaks of the stars falling from heaven and the powers of heaven being shaken.
  • And of course, let us not forget the star of Jesus in Matthew 2:2-9

Why did God allot humans over to the gods?

Acts 17:24-27 tells us that God allotted man kind their different regions so that they would find him. How does this make sense? Well he separated the peoples at the tower of babel because they sought to do things in their own power. God says in Genesis 11 that the way things were, humans could do anything. They were not relying on God. By separating them, however, humans could be humbled once more and hopefully find their way to the God that made them.

Not only that, but it is by choosing Abraham to start a new nation of God's allotment that God saves the whole world throughout all time by means of Jesus Christ.

The allotment of the gods

God determined the regions of the earth and placed powerful angelic beings over those areas. They fail their duties, however, and accepted worship as though they were gods themselves. God judges them for this (telling them they will die as men). These beings maintain their borders regardless of their sentence and await the day of judgment. Until such time, they continue to rule over nations and battle with God's angels. Interestingly, other ancient nations had/have their own versions of this same story.

In ESV (although I recommend also reading NASB) read the following verses:

  • Deuteronomy 4:19
    • "And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven."
  • Deuteronomy 17:2-3
    • "If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden,"
  • Deuteronomy 29:26
    • "and went and served other gods and worshiped them, gods whom they had not known and whom he had not allotted to them."
  • Deuteronomy 32:8-9
    • "When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. But the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage."
  • Deuteronomy 32:16-17
    • "They stirred him to jealousy with strange gods; with abominations they provoked him to anger. They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded."
  • Deuteronomy 32:43
    • "Rejoice with him, O heavens; bow down to him, all gods, for he avenges the blood of his children and takes vengeance on his adversaries. He repays those who hate him and cleanses his people's land"
  • Psalm 82
    • "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: ... You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince. Arise, O God, judge the earth; for you shall inherit all the nations!"
  • Acts 17:26
    • "And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,"

Related passages in terms of cosmic geography (allotments)

  • Samuel 26:16 points to the concept of worshiping the god of whatever land you reside in
  • 2nd Kings 5:17-19 king Naaman wants to bring home dirt from the land of Israel so that when he worships in the land ruled by a different god he will be able to worship on the dirt of the land of Israel and honor God in that way
  • Daniel 10:13,20-21 speaks of the prince of Persia, Greece and Israel contending with one another
  • Daniel 12:1 names Michael as the official prince of Israel who is in charge of protecting God's allotment

Acts 2 connects the day of Pentecost to the tower of babel (by using the same words and phrases), showing God is now welcoming the nations back into His family and abolishing the allotments in His own eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLb5-Ktc4cs

Demons became new/false gods

Deuteronomy 32:16-17 "
They stirred him to jealousy with strange gods;
with abominations they provoked him to anger.
They sacrificed to demons that were no gods,
to gods they had never known,
to new gods that had come recently,
whom your fathers had never dreaded."

This passage indicates that demons at this time were new and false gods that they did not know previously and their fathers never had to dread.
This makes me think that there may be a difference between gods (being the sons of God) and false gods (being demons).

Just before verse 16 and 17 Moses uses the phrase "Foreign gods" in contrast to the Lord in verse 12.

Deuteronomy 17:2-3 uses the phrase other gods.
1st Corinthians 8:5 Paul mentions there are indeed many gods in heaven and on earth but also mentions so-called gods.
1st Corinthians 10:20 Paul then says that the gentiles of that area were sacrificing to demons (not necessarily gods)
Psalm 82:1 says "God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:" This refers to gods at a much higher level than demons as these seem to have been in his own council.

Jesus preached to the Watchers

1st Peter 3:19-20 speaks of Jesus preaching to the watchers who created the Nephilim.

This passage also points out that God "waited" while the ark was being built but they were disobedient.

These disobedient spirits are also mentioned later in 2nd Peter 2:4-6 and Jude 1:6 which both point back to Genesis 6 where the Watchers first sinned.

God uses the church to teach the heavenly rulers

"so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places".
Ephesians 3:10 ESV

This verse implies that the heavenly rulers and authorities did not know the manifold wisdom of God before Jesus Christ died, rose again and sent the Holy Spirit to start the church.

Angels have "seed" and they can use it

In Genesis 6 it says that the sons of God took women as wives and giant (nephilim) children.

This begs the question: "Wait... can angels reproduce?"

The passage 1st Corinthians 15:38-41 makes the following claims:

  • For every body there is a physical and a spiritual aspect
  • Every type of body (creature) has its assigned "seed" (gene, semen, DNA)
  • God assigned each seed to each type of body and created them to be separate
  • The glory of heavenly bodies differ from earthly ones
  • Heavenly glories differ from each other (sun, moon, and individual stars)

If everything that has a body has an assigned seed by God, then heavenly bodies have their own seed.

"But what about Luke 20:34-36? Jesus says that humans can't marry in heaven because angels don't marry!"

That is simply not true.

Luke 20:34-36 quotes Jesus answering the question of Sadducees.

They ask if a woman has multiple husbands in life (each dying before she remarries) then who is her husband when she is resurrected (in heaven).
Jesus replies with a famous few verses that people often misunderstand.

Jesus starts by pointing out that not everyone gets to heaven, and that those who do will not marry and are not given in marriage.
He then says why: "for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God" (Luke 20:36 NASB).
The commas are placed there for a reason. He says that they cannot die because they are like angels. Not that they cannot marry because they are like angels.
Regardless people use this verse to "prove" that angels cannot marry and cannot have sex.

Firstly, it clearly does not say that. It says that angels cannot die. The implication is: if we do not marry in heaven because we live forever and angels live forever as well, then they do not marry either. That logic is accurate, but there is a big difference between DO NOT and CANNOT. They clearly can because they do so with human women in Genesis 6. This was, however, a grave sin and God punished them for it (Jude 1:6-7, 2nd Peter 2:4-6).

The tower of Babel was never completed

Genesis 11:8 tells us that God giving people different languages and confusing them stopped them from building the city/tower of Babel.

Josephus explains in his book the antiquities of the Jews that the word Babel means confusion and that they called it that because of the confusion that was caused by God. So really the city was known as the city of great confusion.

Cutting and tattooing for the dead

Leviticus 19:28 states the law from God not to cut or tattoo one's self for the dead.

The immediate context of the verses preceding and following Leviticus 19:27-28 makes it clear that Moses was telling the people that God was calling them not to adhere to pagan practices as it speaks of divination, soothsaying, mediums and spiritists.

This passage is referring to an ancient pagan funeral ritual taught to humans by the Nephilim/Rephaim and "fallen angels", as all pagan rituals were.

The point of the ritual was to "cheat death of the spirit" as an "act of defiance" against God (https://classroom.synonym.com/the-pagan-ritual-of-cutting-or-tattooing-at-a-funeral-12087451.html)

This practice is said to have roots in the actions of Baal cutting himself.

1 Kings 18:25 also describes cutting one's self as a plea to the gods being a custom commonly practiced by the pagans.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/246-does-the-old-testament-condemn-tattoos

Jude and Genesis

Jude 1:6-7 links the fall on the sons of God in Genesis 6 with the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah saying that in both cases they went after strange flesh and indulged in gross immorality and that they both were dealt strong punishment by God.

See also 2 Peter 2:4-6

Where are oaks of Mamre?

Mamre (or the oaks of Mamre) is the same land as Hebron which is Kiriath-arba

Genesis 23:19
Genesis 35:27

Abram had Amorites as allies

Genesis 14:13 tells us that Mamre, Eshcol, and Aner were Amorites that allied with Abram as he lived in their lands.

Genesis 14:24 shows us that they actually joined him in battle and saving his brother Lot.

Azazel

Leviticus 16:8,10,26 ESV
NASB translates Azazel as scapegoat

The book of Enoch speaks of Azazel as a watcher, being deeply wicked and teaching humans ways of witchcraft as well as how to use and make technology.